My Response to the Media

Posted: May 20, 2013 / in: Blog / 8 comments

I was left with a deep feeling of compassion after I saw the Bubber show.

What I saw watching the Bubber show was only a desperate attempt to reheat an old soup and to add spice to make it interesting again. It was the sad display of a lost charm, which in its search to come back desperately try to keep people’s attention and sympathy by any means. And when there is nothing new or interesting, sex and sect will be reinvented. How else can one see the fact that the exact same people who performed in the JP drama in 2009 are now recast in “The Bubber Show”, trying to spice up their story with details that were designed to steal the attention of a bored audience. When a journalist is in such a lack of inspiration that he has to reinvent subjects that were already debated four years ago, and to use unprofessional methods of manipulation of the information, while needing to hide behind one-sidedness, this is a sad show to see.

If it was only about me, or a few individuals, I would have let it be, for the only worthwhile measure to take in that case would be to ignore it. But it is about an entire school and, moreover, about an entire movement that is structured around this school worldwide. They are also the victims of this attempt at success by any means – a collateral damage that becomes much more important than the players in this drama. The irresponsible players might not realize that they are affecting the freedom and basic human rights of the people, turning into inquisitors that hypocritically claim to be the defenders of freedom and justice. By distorting the truth and aggressively attacking people’s choices to believe and practice, the ones behind this campaign are in fact guilty of severely violating the citizens’ basic rights. And with this I do not agree.

There is a very simple series of answers to all the allegations that TV2 and BT tried to put forward after reactivating the old ghosts of Natha. Here you can read them.

The journalists were willing to talk with people who were proven to be biased by personal interest but failed to offer just a little flexibility to the ones who are the target of such accusations.

Is Natha a Sect?
To say that Natha is not a sect and even less a sex sect is to repeat the obvious. There is absolutely no evidence to support these claims apart from the very few unauthorized opinions that do not show more than personal angles. All the official and professional inquiries on this subject have underlined time and again the open structure of Natha and the fact that it cannot be a sect.

If these people felt like this when they were in Natha I am sorry for that and it is something for us to take into consideration, with respect to the way in which our school presents itself to some of the students. Yet with regards to its structure and the methods it uses, Natha cannot in any way be considered a sect since it is has the structure and methods of a genuine school: it holds open courses and actively teaches people to think and practice for themselves. In the introductory lessons of the tantra class, (the students are given printouts), the necessity of having a positive, critical view and to not blindly believe all that it is said in the class is stressed upon. Moreover, the teachers are constantly giving methods instead of giving a belief system as would normally happen in a sect. A method can be checked by everyone, therefore it is the most honest way to offer education.

Even the practical role of a spiritual guide on the path of transformation is explained with great details and stripped from any mystical aspects so that everyone can thoroughly understand this matter, beyond the taboos that surround this subject today. Based on these simple arguments (that are only a small selection), I strongly disagree that Natha can be called a sect.

Is Natha a Sex Organization?

As for the sex organization (sect was dismissed above), this statement is even more abhorrent. In the curriculum of the yoga course in Natha there are over 1800 topics, each representing a complete course. Out of this immense number of courses, only 15 address the subject of sexual energy and sexuality, in the context of a yogi’s spiritual life. This means less than 0.8% of the courses refer to sexuality! In the tantra courses, out of 560 titles in the curriculum there are 45 courses that talk about sexuality from the tantric perspective. That means 8% of the whole curriculum.

Therefore, considering this school to be a sex organization shows only malevolent intent combined with stupidity on the part of the Bubber show.

Bubber said that they cannot agree with the contract that Natha came forward with but they refused every time to offer any negotiations of the conditions, stating that this is the standard contract which all their participants are asked to sign. Doing just a little research we found out that Bubber was lying to us as they have offered contracts in which they offer flexible conditions of cooperation to others.

Why would Bubber need to lie about this? Is it because they had this plan from the beginning? It is strange that they repeatedly state that they cannot agree with our conditions while they systematically refused to offer anything more than our total and unconditional agreement to their views. And reality proved that their views were biased by all kinds of preconceived ideas and therefore made our request for a legal frame very legitimate. Should the Bubber show have been a decent inquiry with a lot of balanced attitudes and no witch hunt or libel, then they would have proven our request to be exaggerated and therefore wrong. But as it has been until now it is clearly showing that our request was a legitimate attempt to protect the work of so many people in Natha from the defamation that they were subjecting us to.

The Actors in the Bubber Show
If one listens to the story told to JP in 2009 by Celia Clausen and compares it with the interview she made with Bubber now, it becomes clear that the story is growing and become more interesting just like an actor rehearses his role and makes it more convincing. If it was a work of fiction we could understand this because adding more spice will make it easier to sell. But in the case of a so called witness, this is a strange finding. In 2009 Celia “failed” to remember – even if her memory was fresh about the events – that she had visited Grieg. Now, in well-timed synchronization with the program that was made in Finland targeting the same issue, Celia start to apparently recover her memory and tell the story of her meeting with Grieg. How come she skipped such an important aspect that was (according to her) one of the reasons why she decided to leave the school? The very simple explanation is simple: she is not telling the truth.

In the Bubber show we also see Celia’s mother who is now apparently presenting herself as a concerned parent of one who was lost in the sect and then recovered again. But in reality she visited Celia several times in the ashram and she was very happy while being there, meeting with Celia’s friends and enjoying spending time with them. Meanwhile, Celia attended a lot of meetings with her family. The fact that she didn’t agree with her daughter’s life choices is a common occurrence today and it has become part of the so called generational conflict. But I cannot agree to put that on the shoulders of a school that is only teaching people methods to become better persons with a higher degree of freedom. How about the teenager that enters college and, surrounded by his colleagues, starts to be influenced by all kinds of cultural trends that the parents do not understand for they are not part of them? Is that the fault of the college or university? And when the daughter decides to move to another city (or country) to follow a career that is different from what the parents would have envisioned for her, does it mean that they lost the child to the university? And does that make the university a dangerous sect that kidnaps children from their families? All these simple observations underline the absurd attempt made by a showman (Bubber) who desperately tries some emotional blackmail on his decreasing audience, in order to squeeze a little sympathetic approval from all the parents that are suffering from this conflict between the generations.

In the show Kim Schmock also appears. He is a violent person that beat his former friends only to steal from them almost 3 million kroner in the value of the property. Bringing him into the show now, after all that he did, after he was proven to be a liar and a violent person several times, represents a level of unprofessionalism that is only equaled by the desperation Bubber has to keep the interest of the public. Read here the story of Kim Schmock and the proven facts.

And What About Erotic Movies?
I also do not agree about presenting the movies that I participated in as being porn movies made by Natha.

The fact that I chose, years ago, to deepen my exploration of the tantric science and wanted to make it available to the public should not become the subject of discrimination as it is now.

This project was done together with some friends and never involved Natha (it was in fact done before I moved to Denmark, in the end of 2002). The idea with which we started was that lovemaking is today drowning in a lot of misunderstandings and becoming sex. Therefore, the sex industry is unconsciously contributing to the violent separation of people from their Loving capacity. When wanting to make love, all that people know about these days is to have sex. Having tested the difference (learned from the tantra that my spiritual guide Grieg was teaching) I wanted to share these findings with others and together with some people that were artists we started such project. If it was a porn movie it would have continued because the market is demanding more. We stopped because we didn’t have more time and the understanding of these ideas maybe needed a better exposure.

And I did not receive any financial gain from this project; in fact not even my personal expenses were covered. What is wrong with doing a project like this if there is not even financial gain?

In one of the movies we depicted an initiation into one of the very secret tantric methods (that are not taught in Natha), which explains about the power, in special conditions, of the urinary orgasm. With this we gave a unique insight into some of the most esoteric elements that some of the ancient tantric texts reveal. And I participated in this film because I am a practitioner of tantra and I was the consultant in these matters. If this is provocative for some people I understand that, but this was not done in a class for the students that are learning; it was only the result of the enthusiasm of some young people who wanted to share with those that choose to look into that direction. Since this is not a part of what is taught in Natha, nor is it a part of what is practiced in the school, why is my personal choice presented in connection with this? Is that professional journalism? (A rhetorical question since it has become obvious what kind of journalism we are dealing with in the Bubber show)

An important observation: all the participants in this project willingly participated, they were aware of what they were doing and it was never presented as something else to them.

The Life of a Volunteer Worker
The other accusation/insinuation that has been repeatedly put forward regards the voluntary work in the school. This is proving stupidity from the side of the host of the show since there are so many associations in Denmark that are based on voluntary work and receive also support from the state. Some of the tasks in Natha are covered by volunteers that take hours of helping in Natha and some are taken by people that are supported by the public funds.

I am paid by Natha for 20 hours of work every week and the rest is voluntary work. Weekly I am doing up to 75 hours of voluntary work which consists of, among other things: teaching yoga, tantra and meditation classes, administration meetings, consultations with students, authoring books and the tantra course, international yoga and tantra teacher training courses, various workshops and seminars. If these people that are doing voluntary work in Natha are brainwashed probably in my case it is an incredible case of self-brainwashing 😉

As for donations … we have rarely experienced generosity from the public but we never tried to persuade anyone for this.

Even though I am writing these lines which contain my answers to the allegations that were posed in the media, I am almost certain that no journalist will take more than a few sentences that are only serving to endorse their accusations. Yet out of responsibility for our students, these are some of my answers.

More will come in the following days.

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Comments (8)

  1. The seeker says:

    The link to the answers on Natha’s website is not working on my side…

  2. The seeker says:

    Forget about that. I was a little too fast in writing…

  3. The seeker says:

    Thank you for sharing these answers to the accusations.
    I think you are giving Bubber too much credit by calling him a journalist. A journalist would look for the truth. I believe his show is called an entertainment program and what he is showing is what we in Danish call “følelsesporno” – “porn of emotions”. In this episode he is clearly seeking to affront or outrage his viewers. Any attempt to show the other side of the story would only make his program less likely to fulfill it’s goal.
    It is quite sad to see how low he is ready to sink in order to trigger some emotions in his viewers…

  4. Corry says:

    To me it is so strange that many people just bite into whatever the media tells them to believe, without even checking the reality by themselves. Who are the sheeps here??

  5. Martin says:

    Watching here http://concordiatv.tv/ the documentaries you did and that in my opinion continues your reply, it is easy to see the difference between an amusement and orchestrated no reply show, as Bubber did, and the very intelligent and common sense and full of evidences that are undeniable, presented by Natha. There is also quite a difference between the social classes, knowledge and well known serious and with great expertize on one hand, and the puppeteers in Bubber s show with their classical personal vendetta..
    It would be nice to see these 4 parts of documentary on TV s, if the society can play a little bit fair. .

  6. Anna says:

    I wonder how much these 3 so called witnesses got paid to repeat like parrots exactly the same things as they did in 2009? And how come the danish media takes repeatedly the same things, like copy paste, without bothering that it is already old fashioned and well known these kind of lies and manipulations? Isn.t is a little bit odd one of the purposes that seems to me to be the one to influence the romanian trial?

  7. Liliana Amethyst Serban says:

    I have a strong believe that all this circus show is coming from a big frustration and fear.
    i wonder rhetorical why is involving that much Bubber in this matter?What does he wants to disprove?And mostly why?
    People coming in that school are coming by their own choice and are leaving the school whenever they want.They are hundred of students in Natha school and nobody is complaining, Only 3 or maybe 10 frustrated individuals who s problems, is so obvious are all coming on the same unbalanced disharmonious level : the level of sexuality.
    In the tantra introduction courses Advaitanada teach the students of the school, according to the ancient tantric traditions, the manner in what a sicker on the spiritual path have to build his or her own inner structure in order to transform in a pure, harmonious human being: the process is similar with restoring a house.One have to start with the basement, with the hidden, unseen part of it, otherwise in time, the house will suffer lot of damages..The sexual energies are resonating with the energies of water.Sexuality is like water.If in a house we don t have a good, restored, renewed, water equipment, in time one can have big big problems with that .moisture, dampness of walls and even flood.So no wander they are so many psychical, mental, emotional problems in our society today..
    Who has an interest to keep us in sick, deplorable brute state? why the sexuality is almost all the time associated with shame, guilty feelings and promiscuity?The answer is simple : lake of education. Bubber and other like him are pathetically screaming on the glass screen or on the papers pretending they care about the moral values of this society.But in reality they don t.They are only poor instrument for casting off in people s eyes broken glass in order to make them see better.Leave the people to have they own choice, Listen all the voices in a choir, not only the scratchy ones!

  8. Aniel says:

    I guess nobody likes to be accused out of the blue for something that they have not done! It seems like this is happening more and more and that our society is not only approving this behavior but also encouraging it. And all for the sake of protecting people!
    Some weeks ago my husband and I where accused, while being on vacation, by a person that we never met before, that we have caused damages to her car while parking our own car. Even if by the time of parking there were no other cars around us and we had witnesses to prove our innocence, we still had to be confronted with police for several hours and to pay a fee for the police report.
    It became obvious for me that today it is easier to accuse someone than to seek the truth. I decided to never again accuse someone so easily of something without having preliminary checked the whole story.
    Now I experience that Bubber and TV2 are accusing a lot of people, including myself, who is genuinely practicing Yoga or Tantra to be part of a sect and to be misled by our yoga school. It is easy to destroy a reputation and so hard to restore it afterwards, even if its innocence is proven later! This seems to be the price we have to pay so that Bubber can fulfill his needs for sensationalism. Should we accept this situation? I think not! We should fight for our truth and innocence.

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